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      to Digg our site.Germany won World War I. As a preliminary matter, 
      we should note that the actual outcome of the First World War was a near 
      thing, a far nearer thing than was the outcome of World War II after 1941.
      
      While it is true that the United States entered the war on the allied side 
      in 1917, thus providing vast new potential sources of men and material, it 
      is also true that Germany had knocked Russia out of the war at about the 
      same time. This gave the Germans access to the resources of Eastern Europe 
      and freed their troops for deployment to the West. The German Spring 
      Offensive of 1918 actually succeeded in rupturing the Allied line at a 
      point where the Allies had no significant reserves. (At about this time, 
      British Prime Minister Lloyd George was heard to remark, "We are going to 
      lose this war". He began to create a record which would shift the blame to 
      others.) The British Summer Offensive of the same year similarly breached 
      the German lines, but did a much better job of exploiting the breakthrough 
      than the Germans had done a few months earlier. General Ludendorff 
      panicked and demanded that the government seek an armistice. The German 
      army did succeed in containing the Allied breakthrough, but meanwhile the 
      German diplomats had opened tentative armistice discussions with the 
      United States. Given U.S. President Wilson's penchant for diplomacy by 
      press-release, the discussions could not be broken off even though the 
      German military situation was no longer critical. While the Germans were 
      not militarily defeated, or even economically desperate, the government 
      and general public saw no prospect of winning. Presented with the 
      possibility of negotiating a settlement, their willingness to continue the 
      conflict simply dissolved.
      
      
A story by John ReillyThe Germans were 
      defeated by exhaustion. This could as easily have happened to the Allies. 
      When you read the diaries and reports of the French and British on the 
      Western Front from early 1918, the writers seem to be perfectly lucid and 
      in full command of their faculties. What the Americans noted when they 
      started to arrive at about that time was that everyone at the front was 
      not only dirty and malnourished, but half asleep. In addition to their 
      other deleterious effects, the terrible trench warfare battles of that 
      conflict were remarkably exhausting, and the capacity of the Allies to 
      rotate out survivors diminished with the passage of time. Even with 
      American assistance, France and Britain were societies that were slowly 
      falling apart from lack of ordinary maintenance. Both faced food shortages 
      from the diversion of farmers into the army and from attacks on oceanborne 
      supplies. Had the Germans been able to exploit their breakthrough in the 
      spring, or if the German Empire had held together long enough for 
      Ludendorff's planned autumn offensive to take place, its quite likely that 
      either the French or British would have sued for peace. Had one or the 
      other even raised the question of an armistice, the same process of 
      internal political collapse which destroyed Germany would have overtaken 
      both of them.
      
      
"Interesting hypotheses. One thing to point out, 
      though, is that the Nazis were popular with quite a few people because 
      they _weren't_ the discredited Kaiserreich---the SS attracted quite a few 
      talented young men who wanted to serve but didn't want to go through the 
      Kaiserliche rigmarole that the Wehrmacht still had too much of." - 
      reader's commentsAlthough today it is reasonably clear that Germany 
      fought the war with the general aim of transforming itself from a merely 
      continental power to a true world power, the fact is that at no point did 
      the German government know just what its peace terms would be if it won. 
      It might have annexed Belgium and part of the industrial regions of 
      northern France, though bringing hostile, non-German populations into the 
      Empire might not have seemed such a good idea if the occasion actually 
      arose. More likely, or more rationally, the Germans would have contented 
      themselves with demilitarizing these areas. From the British, they would 
      probably have demanded nothing but more African colonies and the 
      unrestricted right to expand the German High Seas Fleet. In Eastern 
      Europe, they would be more likely to have established friendly satellite 
      countries in areas formerly belonging to the defunct empires than to have 
      directly annexed much territory. It seems to me that the Austrian and 
      Ottoman Empires were just as likely to have fallen apart even if the 
      Central Powers had won. The Hungarians were practically independent before 
      the war, after all, and the chaos caused by the eclipse of Russia would 
      have created opportunities for them which they could exploit only without 
      the restraint of Vienna. As for the Ottoman Empire, most of it had already 
      fallen to British invasion or native revolt. No one would have seen much 
      benefit in putting it back together again, not even the Turks.
      
      
"1. the easiest route to a German victory is no 
      unrestricted submarine warfare and no US entry. British credit collapses 
      in the second half of 1917 taking the House of Morgan and the US economy 
      with it. US deliveries dry up and the Luddendorf offensive is the 
      finishing touch 2. the Nazis are a VERY particular set of low probability 
      events - change ANY of them and the Nazis are a footnote in someone's 
      unread master's thesis." - reader's commentCommunist agitation was 
      an important factor in the dissolution of Imperial Germany, and it would 
      probably have been important to the collapse of France and Britain, too. 
      One can imagine Soviets being established in Glasglow and the north of 
      England, a new Commune in Paris. This could even have happened in New 
      York, dominated as it was by immigrant groups who were either highly 
      radicalized or anti-British. It is unlikely that any of these rebellions 
      would have succeeded in establishing durable Communist regimes in the 
      West, however. The Soviets established in Germany and Eastern Europe after 
      the war did not last, even though the central government had dissolved. In 
      putting down such uprisings, France might have experienced a bout of 
      military dictatorship, not unlike the Franco era in Spain, and Britain 
      might have become a republic. Still, although the public life of these 
      countries would have been polarized and degraded, they would probably have 
      remained capitalist democracies. The U.S., one suspects, would have 
      reacted to the surrender or forced withdrawal of its European 
      expeditionary force by beginning to adopt the attitude toward 
      German-dominated Europe which it did later in the century toward the 
      victorious Soviet Union. Britain, possibly with its empire in premature 
      dissolution, would have been forced to seek a strong
      
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      alliance. As for the Soviet Union in this scenario, it is hard to imagine 
      the Germans putting up with its existence after it had served its purpose. 
      Doubtless some surviving Romanov could have been put on the throne of a 
      much- diminished Russia. If no Romanov was available, Germany has never 
      lacked for princelings willing to be sent abroad to govern improvised 
      countries.
      
      This leaves us with the most interesting question: what would have 
      happened to Germany itself? Before the war, the German constitution was 
      working less and less well. Reich chancellors were not responsible to 
      parliament but to the Kaiser. The system could work only when the Kaiser 
      was himself a competent executive, or when he had the sense to appoint and 
      support a chancellor who was. The reign of Wilhelm II showed that neither 
      of these conditions need be the case. In the twenty years preceding the 
      war, national policy was made more and more by the army and the 
      bureaucracy. It is unlikely that this degree of drift could have continued 
      after a victorious war. Two things would have happened which in fact 
      happened in the real world: the monarchy would have lost prestige to the 
      military, and electoral politics would have fallen more and more under the 
      influence of populist veterans groups.
      
      
"ok the germans would have to defeat hundreds of 
      thousands of fresh americans soldiers with a tired out german army.. thats 
      sort of impossible... they wont win ww1.. for germans to win ww1 u have to 
      put the americans and other allies into submission.. which is tottally 
      impossible for the germans..more like a truce after germany conquers 
      france =] And how do you win a world war? for the allies to win a world 
      war you have to defeat the bad guys and all their armies... for the bad 
      guys to win a world war you would have to truce instead cause there is no 
      way your gonna sail to america and defeat the americans" - reader's 
      commentWe should remember that to win a great war can be almost as 
      disruptive for a combatant country as to lose it. There was a prolonged 
      political crisis, indeed the whiff of revolution, in victorious Britain in 
      the 1920s. Something similar seems to be happening in the United States 
      today after the Cold War. While it is, of course, unlikely that the Kaiser 
      would have been overthrown, it is highly probable that there would have 
      been some constitutional crisis which would have drastically altered the 
      relationship between the branches of government. It would have been in the 
      military's interest to push for more democracy in the Reich government, 
      since the people would have been conspicuously pro-military. The social 
      and political roles of the old aristocracy would have declined, since the 
      war would have brought forward so many men of humble origin. Again, this 
      is very much what happened in real history. If Germany had won and the 
      Allies lost, the emphasis in these developments would certainly have been 
      different, but not the fundamental trends.
      
      All the bad and strange things which happened in Germany in the 1920s are 
      conventionally blamed on the harsh terms of the Versailles treaty. We 
      forget, however, that the practical effect of these terms was really very 
      limited. The diplomatic disabilities on Germany were eliminated by the 
      Locarno Pact of 1925. The great Weimar inflation, which was engineered by 
      the government to defeat French attempts to extract reparations, was ended 
      in 1923. The reparations themselves, of course, were a humiliating drain 
      on the German budget, but a system of financing with international loans 
      was arranged which worked satisfactorily until the world financial system 
      broke down in the early 1930s. Even arms development was continued through 
      clandestine projects with the Soviet Union. It is also false to assert 
      that German culture was driven to insanity by a pervasive sense of defeat. 
      The 1920s were the age of the Lost Generation in America and the Bright 
      Young Things in Britain. A reader ignorant of the history of the 20th 
      century who was given samples from this literature that did not contain 
      actual references to the war could reasonably conclude that he was reading 
      the literature of defeated peoples. There was indeed insanity in culture 
      in the 1920s, but the insanity pervaded the whole West.
      
      Weimar culture would have happened even if there had been no Weimar 
      Republic. We know this, since all the major themes of the Weimar period, 
      the new art and revolutionary politics and sexual liberation, all began 
      before the war. This was a major argument of the remarkable book, RITES OF 
      SPRING, by the Canadian scholar, Modris Ekstein. There would still have 
      been Bauhaus architecture and surrealist cinema and depressing war novels 
      if the Kaiser had issued a victory proclamation in late 1918 rather than 
      an instrument of abdication. There would even have been a DECLINE OF THE 
      WEST by Oswald Spengler in 1918. He began working on it years before the 
      war. The book was, in fact, written in part to explain the significance of 
      a German victory. These things were simply extensions of the trends that 
      had dominated German culture for a generation. They grew logically out of 
      Nietzsche and Wagner and Freud. A different outcome in the First World War 
      would probably have made the political right less suspicious of modernity, 
      for the simple reason that left wing politics would not have been anywhere 
      nearly as fashionable among artists as such politics were in defeat.
      
      I would go so far as to say this: something very like the Nazi Party would 
      still have come to power in Germany, even if that country had won the 
      First World War. I realize that this assertion runs counter to the 
      historiography of most of this century, but the conclusion is inescapable. 
      Politics is a part of culture, and the Nazis represented a kind of 
      politics which was integral with Weimar culture. Salvador Dali once said, 
      perhaps ironically, that he approved of the Nazi Party because they 
      represented the surrealists come to power. The connection is deep, as with 
      the Nazi affinity for the modernist post-rationalism of the philosopher 
      Heidigger, and also superficial, in the styles the party promoted. The 
      Nuremberg Rallies, for instance, were masterpieces of Art Deco stagecraft, 
      particularly Albert Speer's "cathedral of ice" effect, created with the 
      use of searchlights. As a young hopeful in Vienna, Hitler once passed up 
      the chance to work as a theatrical set designer because he was too shy to 
      go to the interview. But whether he knew it or not, that is what he 
      became. People with no fascist inclinations at all love to watch film 
      footage produced by the Nazis, for the simple reason that it is very good 
      cinema: it comes from the same artistic culture which gave us METROPOLIS 
      and THE BLUE ANGEL. The Weimar Republic and the Third Reich formed a 
      historical unit, one whose advent was not dependent on the accident of who 
      won the First World War.
      
      The Nazi Party was other things besides a right wing populist group with a 
      penchant for snazzy uniforms. It was a millenarian movement. The term 
      "Third Reich," "Drittes Reich," is an old term for the Millennium. The 
      Party's core began as a sort of occult lodge, like the Thule Society of 
      Munich to which so many of its important early members belonged. It 
      promoted a racist theory of history not unlike that of the Theosophist, 
      H.P. Blavatsky, whose movement also used the swastika as an emblem. The 
      little-read ideological guidebook of the party, Alfred Rosenberg's MYTH OF 
      THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, begins its study of history in Atlantis. Like the 
      Theosophists, they looked for a new "root race" of men to appear in the 
      future, perhaps with some artificial help. When Hitler spoke of the Master 
      Race, it is not entirely clear that he was thinking of contemporary 
      Germans.
      
      This is not to say that the Nazi Party was a conspiracy of evil magicians. 
      A good, non- conspiratorial account of this disconcerting matter may be 
      found in James Webb's THE OCCULT ESTABLISHMENT. I have two simple points 
      to make here. The first is that the leadership had some very odd notions 
      that, at least to some degree, explain the unique things they said and 
      did. The other is that these ideas were not unique to them, that they were 
      spreading among the German elites. General Von Moltke, the chief of the 
      General Staff at the beginning of the war, was an Anthroposophist. (This 
      group drew the peculiar ire of the SS, since Himmler believed that its 
      leader, Rudolf Steiner, hypnotized the general so as to make him mismanage 
      the invasion of France.) The Nazi Party was immensely popular on 
      university campuses. The intellectual climate of early 20th century 
      Germany was extraordinarily friendly to mysticism of all types, including 
      in politics. The Nazi leadership were just particularly nasty people whose 
      worldview bore a family resemblance to that of Herman Hesse and C.G. Jung. 
      The same would probably have been true of anyone who ruled Germany in the 
      1930s.
      
      Am I saying then that German defeat in the First World War made no 
      difference? Hardly. If the war had not been lost, the establishment would 
      have been much less discredited, and there would have been less room for 
      the ignorant eccentrics who led the Nazi Party. Certainly people with no 
      qualifications for higher command, such as Goering, would not have been 
      put in charge of the Luftwaffe, nor would the Foreign Ministry have been 
      given over to so empty-headed a man as Von Ribbentrop. As for the fate of 
      Hitler himself, who can say?
      
      The big difference would have been that Germany would been immensely 
      stronger and more competent by the late 1930s than it was in the history 
      we know. That another war would have been brewed by then we may be sure. 
      Hitler was only secondarily interested in revenge for the First World War; 
      his primary goal had always been geopolitical expansion into Eastern 
      Europe and western Asia. This would have given Germany the Lebensraum to 
      become a world power. His ideas on the subject were perfectly coherent, 
      and not original with him: they were almost truisms. There is no reason to 
      think that the heirs of a German victory in 1918 (or 1919, or 1920) would 
      have been less likely to pursue these objectives.
      
      These alternative German leaders would doubtless have been reacting in 
      part to some new coalition aligned against them. Its obvious constituents 
      would have been Britain, the United States and Russia, assuming Britain 
      and Russia had a sufficient degree of independence to pursue such a 
      policy. One suspects that if the Germans pursued a policy of aggressive 
      colonial expansion in the 1920s and 30s, they might have succeeded in 
      alienating the Japanese, who could have provided a fourth to the 
      coalition. Germany for its part would begun the war with complete control 
      of continental Europe and probably effective control of north Africa and 
      the Near East. It would also have started with a real navy, so that 
      Britain's position could have quickly become untenable. The coalition's 
      chances in such a war would not have been hopeless, but they would been 
      desperate.
      
      It is commonly said of the First World War that it was pure waste, that it 
      was an accident, that it accomplished nothing. The analysis I have just 
      presented, on the contrary, suggests that the "war to end all war" may 
      have been the most important war of the modern era after all.